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Post by pabastien on Oct 19, 2014 23:59:29 GMT
Most apt song that can be applied to goober grote.
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Post by mrnarse on Oct 22, 2014 4:42:43 GMT
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Post by dwaynedibbley on Oct 22, 2014 12:04:59 GMT
Hey guys, would you object to some form of batsignal (BADsignal? Elliesignal?) on Twitter? In case the Gators get too much to handle and we need some help spamming them with Taylor Swift gifs?
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Post by niko on Oct 22, 2014 16:00:01 GMT
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Post by dwaynedibbley on Oct 23, 2014 5:39:45 GMT
A hashtag sounds great. [HASH]EllieSignal?
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Post by Kav P on Oct 23, 2014 12:08:19 GMT
Ha ha ha, let's give it a go. :B
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Luci
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Post by Luci on Oct 27, 2014 12:46:30 GMT
That guy is amazing. Also loved 'if it's not about Zoe Quinn, stop talking about her'. He's captured the salient points and put them into song, that's impressive. I'm finding this whole thing extremely divisive though? Usually I kind of pride myself in being able to see the nuances or whatever, or being able to listen to other points of view, be flexible and change my opinion, but I'm unusually hard-line about this topic. Like, I know people who're ok with this GG stuff (and people linking the Sommers video) and it's like... ... It's not just that I vehemently disagree with the whole gater methods and gater origins (though, obviously, I do) it's just like, how can you watch that video and not immediately be confronted with all the flaws in her argument? How could you possibly call yourself critical and rational and just, fail to see it? She's arguing with a statement nobody has made. She's arguing as a response that Anita and the 'hipster cultural critics' actually ARE out to destroy games, and ARE attempting to censor and police art. If we were to assume all that was true, then Sommer's assertion that "games don't MAKE you misogynist, racist and violence" would make sense. But who is she responding to? Because the hipster cultural critics didn't say that. And "it's not sexism, it's just appealing to guys, and guys like guns and sexy women"? wtf? Did anyone else find that a bit... of a generalisation towards the 'ungentle sex'? :\ Because, sure, the straight guys I know are not adverse to bewbs or guns, but they aren't stupid, either. They're going to know the difference between being given something intelligent that might happen to *contain* boobs and guns, and something that is grade A dumb shit that is trying to paste over that on the basis of "I HAVE LOTS OF GUNS AND SEXY WOMEN. HEY, YOU'RE A GUY AND LIKE THIS STUFF RIGHT? BUY ME!" ...Granted, most of the guys I know who play games aren't teenagers and leave their basements once in a while -.-; It's gross. Was having a related convo with the SO about this, I think it ties in as well with the 'toxic masculinity' idea that Sarkeesian is currently being lambasted for. (Because there is a misunderstanding that masculinity = men, so toxic masculinity must = all men are toxic. I do not understand how such people logically order their thoughts to get out of bed and put clothes on without incident. Pull covers off = socks?) But anyway. To quote Morrisey (who has, admittedly, said some crazy things but this one is worth saying) "it takes guts to be gentle and kind." Particularly if you're a guy being told by certain regressive numpties that to be gentle and kind is to be effeminate, not manly, or 'beta'. It's quite the fucking opposite of 'beta', actually, it takes strength of character. You shockingly awful assholes -.-;; I have tried to use it, tbh. Mostly to point out that it's better to be engaging with the text of what someone has actually said, rather than what you think about the person behind the words or what their intentions are. And to point out that criticism of representations and tropes in themselves is valid, and not actually saying the devs were intending to be misogynistic. There's some weird ideas flying around about art and criticism that I've noticed Someone argued that Anita shouldn't have made her series without asking the devs what they intended, and justified this by telling me if da Vinci was alive, you could just go ask him about the Mona Lisa, and that would clear it up. Well, yes you could, but how would that make your own interpretation less valid than his intention, and how would you know he's telling the truth? (that all said, I'm still ok with Firefly under the recent knowledge that Adam Baldwin is playing himself) The codewords are annoying, as is the phraseology. 'SJWs' is an annoying term to use as a pejorative. (I get what they mean, they mean censorious political correctness and thought policing. But when you've decided to bundle that into the term 'Social Justice Warrior' and define yourself by it's opposite, you are essentially saying you are against social justice. Which is essentially a self-declaration that you are a shit heel). The thing that's annoying me most is the 'LW' bullshit. I first encountered that 'debating' with someone, and he was talking about Zoe Quinn and was using 'LW'. And I was thinking, eh? I know they doxxed her real name, but I can't remember the initials being LW? Then it turns out this means 'Literally Who?' as if they're supposed to not know who the individual is, as if they are beneath their attention and they've never heard of them. Well, if Zoe Quinn is so beneath your notice that you've never heard of her, stop talking about her. The cognitive dissonance involved in rifling through someone's personal life and history and then saying "literally, who?" is mind-boggling.
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daviller
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Post by daviller on Oct 30, 2014 0:03:51 GMT
You don't understand this isn't about zoe quinn or anti-feminism or anything. It's about evil cheating b***es and theyr white knights trying to force theyr facist agenda into OUR videogames, why can't people understand that.
Journalist ethics man thats all it is.
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Post by pabastien on Oct 30, 2014 3:52:55 GMT
I feel a song coming on:
Oh you can hear the lament of many, many nerds Who post angrily from their basement And act like giant turds.
You can hear their cries in the distance Their voices thin and shrill Cause they got their asses kicked by Colbert Who to them is now a Shill.
See this is what you get you silly little nerd When you're utterly bereft of ethics or even know basic words
Cause now you're not only a hate group You're also quite the joke. in the eyes of the public You've just got your credibility card revoked
Now you have nothing left to say, nothing left to do Anita's on Colbert now. This war is OVER FOR YOU.
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monoclemask
Ellie-in-training
Making friends and conquering hubris in a whimsical fantasy land.
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Post by monoclemask on Nov 4, 2014 15:25:01 GMT
God dammit
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Chris
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Post by Chris on Nov 4, 2014 16:35:08 GMT
Of course Aurini thinks he's some kind of truth-teller of the unvarnished human experience. Makes him seem more important than just another raving vlogger.
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Luci
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Post by Luci on Nov 4, 2014 22:06:44 GMT
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daviller
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Post by daviller on Nov 5, 2014 0:05:52 GMT
This just makes me wanna facepalm with a sledgehammer.
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Luci
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Post by Luci on Nov 5, 2014 0:52:43 GMT
It makes me wanna facepalm THEM with a sledgehammer. (and they can put that on their goddamn 'gamergate harassment' tumblr and take it to the fucking bank >.<;;
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Post by niko on Nov 5, 2014 17:01:16 GMT
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Luci
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Post by Luci on Nov 5, 2014 17:40:55 GMT
Ai, my ears ;p
I'd change it to "you're an eater of a neverending pizza" myself. (and isn't calzone pronounced calzoney?)
But yes.
It's totally shitty. They already drove her out; she's gone. What's the point in still going after her other than being completely vindictive? She not even been active on twitter since mid October, from what I can tell. It's just putting the boot in when she has no way to defend herself.
...But that said, removing herself from all this bile is completely reasonable. At least she (hopefully) hasn't had to see this recent bout of people WAY more interested in steadfastly hating her rather than finding out the reality of what she'd actually *said*.
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Post by niko on Nov 12, 2014 21:28:12 GMT
In case somebody haven't seen Peter Coffin's new music video about GlazerGoop:
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Chris
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Post by Chris on Nov 13, 2014 16:56:20 GMT
Has dwaynedibbley seen this yet? Of all of us, this seems most relevant to him.
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Post by niko on Nov 14, 2014 9:58:18 GMT
Yeah, I've tweeted it at him the moment I've discovered this video.
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Post by mrnarse on Nov 15, 2014 3:35:51 GMT
Who else is suffering from GamerGate fatigue?
Symptoms include being fatigued by the constant stream of doody coming out of the mouths of GGers.
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daviller
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Post by daviller on Nov 15, 2014 18:52:49 GMT
Who else is suffering from GamerGate fatigue? Symptoms include being fatigued by the constant stream of doody coming out of the mouths of GGers. I guess jim sterling seems to be suffering it. They just announced he left the escapist.
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Post by niko on Nov 15, 2014 19:58:43 GMT
Who else is suffering from GamerGate fatigue? Symptoms include being fatigued by the constant stream of doody coming out of the mouths of GGers. I'm now using ggautoblocker, so I rarely see gaters in the wild, but gosh I do feel the fatigue. It's been almost 3 months, and it's clear the numbers are dwindling. But on the other hand, they just get more and more ridiculous and obnoxious. Gotta admit it's also a bit fascinating.
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Post by niko on Nov 15, 2014 20:00:26 GMT
I guess jim sterling seems to be suffering it. They just announced he left the website. Good for him! Looks like he's already doing pretty great on Patreon. I'm starting to really love what Jim's doing after watching his new "Objective review" video.
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Chris
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Post by Chris on Nov 15, 2014 23:15:54 GMT
Since I basically only see them show up when they decide to defend their non-existent honor in a comment thread it has certainly gotten tiresome. It's always been the same arguments, but now there's a tinge of desperation to disbelieve that's a little sad.
Also, good on Sterling. I've enjoyed the Jimquisition and am impressed he's making a go of a non-ad supported business model.
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daviller
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Post by daviller on Nov 24, 2014 16:20:05 GMT
www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/138744-Fragbite-Masters-Disqualifies-Kas-for-Rape-CommentNot directly gamergate related but wtf is this? Full disclosure I have used the "lol you just got raped" kinda insult in the past, I no longer do it and I would have never dared to say it to a woman. Glad the organizers straight up booted this asshole, a lesson learned is a lesson learned. What saddens the most however is that she was apparently dogpiled by a bunch of assholes later for being a "crybaby". Edit: just checked this guy apology and lo and behold 3-4 dudes going "you did nothing wrong she sucks, fuck feminism bla bla bla"
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Post by niko on Nov 25, 2014 16:46:55 GMT
Yeah, read about it. If it's so called "gamer culture", no wonder it's called toxic.
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daviller
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Post by daviller on Nov 25, 2014 22:38:27 GMT
Yeah, read about it. If it's so called "gamer culture", no wonder it's called toxic. I find it very aggravating because I love competetive gaming. The fgc especially is very diverse and welcoming as whole, it's all about the hype and skill, nothing else realy matters. Therefore I can't stand it when assholes like this corrupt competetive communitys from within.
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Post by niko on Nov 26, 2014 15:09:18 GMT
It's sad, but hopefully if assholes will be called out like that time, eventually it'll get better.
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