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Post by Kav P on Oct 7, 2014 19:36:45 GMT
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Post by mrnarse on Oct 8, 2014 9:02:07 GMT
By now, I don't think I could find anything that the GamerGaters do surprising anymore. They've done everything except assault and murder someone, and their rhetoric sounds too much like that MRA asshole who murdered a bunch of college women in California a few months ago.
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Post by niko on Oct 8, 2014 9:11:07 GMT
Yeah, I've thought just now that maybe there's no use in commenting under the mainstream media articles anymore.
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Post by mrnarse on Oct 8, 2014 9:25:42 GMT
It's like a massive social mental illness that they're spreading amongst each other.
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Post by niko on Oct 8, 2014 9:37:11 GMT
...In the meantime, let's laugh at Milo.
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Post by mrnarse on Oct 8, 2014 9:38:46 GMT
Haha. He looks like Andy Samberg dressed up like a sleazeball for a Saturday Night Live sketch.
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Post by Kav P on Oct 9, 2014 5:54:25 GMT
There is always, always time to laugh at Milo.
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daviller
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Post by daviller on Oct 9, 2014 10:40:07 GMT
Haha. He looks like Andy Samberg dressed up like a sleazeball for a Saturday Night Live sketch. A glimpse into the future perhaps
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Post by mrnarse on Oct 10, 2014 2:30:14 GMT
The Lonely Island are one of my favorite groups of people in the world In other news: hahahahahahhahahahaaaaa
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Post by niko on Oct 10, 2014 22:57:17 GMT
Well, looks like the Escapist's editor fucked up big time. They even interviewed Slade Villena aka Rogue Star, ffs. Found Devin's old twit with this in it, by the way:
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Post by mrnarse on Oct 10, 2014 23:06:59 GMT
ZQ had tweets showing the founder of Escapist being supportive of GG's definition of "gamer" as well.
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Post by niko on Oct 10, 2014 23:21:00 GMT
Holy cow. That's really sad, and I feel bad for the nice people at the Escapist. Ffs, 4 of the devs they interviewed are pro-GG, two of them MRAs, the one called grimachu has an article called "In Defense of Rape" on his blog.
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Post by mrnarse on Oct 11, 2014 1:34:42 GMT
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Post by daviller on Oct 11, 2014 2:50:06 GMT
On one hand I find the escapist forums have become pretty much intolerable with every single GG related post turning into a 500 rep. pissing contest with a nice helping of douchebags and assholes on top, on the other hand I think the escapist has handled this overall situation pretty well all things considered.
I can't fault for at least trying to steer this mess into a constructive discussion but sadly the overall problem of the #derpityderp side prevails even here i.e. the fucknut conspiracy morons.
Edit: I just read that interview with the escapist founder and adam baldwin... this shit is just depressing
Time to cheer myself up by headbutting a demon t-rex into the flank of a skyscraper, praise lord kamiya.
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Post by mrnarse on Oct 11, 2014 3:19:42 GMT
Time to cheer myself up by headbutting a demon t-rex into the flank of a skyscraper, praise lord kamiya. Always a good form of therapy Speaking of skyscraper-thumping, now I'm in the mood for some Earth Defense Force.
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Post by daviller on Oct 11, 2014 11:01:59 GMT
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Post by niko on Oct 11, 2014 17:45:29 GMT
Escapist forums look like a nest of sociopaths now. Not that I went to Escapist for something other than Movie Bob and Jim Sterling, though.
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Post by Kav P on Oct 12, 2014 17:07:28 GMT
Yep, although the [HASH]GamerGate hashtag has gone up for who knows what reason, its reputation has only increasingly gotten worse. It's only a matter of time before they tear themselves apart. Much like Tommy Wiseau.
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Post by niko on Oct 12, 2014 23:45:25 GMT
A brief update for people who have better things to do on Sunday than checking Twitter: GG is trying to reframe itself as a "scandal", not a movement or anything. DAILY MAIL called it a harassment campaign. Also ELLIE IS BACK AND SHE'S ON FIRE: twitter.com/ViolentFeminism/
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Post by daviller on Oct 13, 2014 11:56:42 GMT
Escapist forums look like a nest of sociopaths now. Not that I went to Escapist for something other than Movie Bob and Jim Sterling, though. Yahtzee is still the main reason I go there but jim and bob are awesome 2. The escapist is pretty much the only games focused website I visit. The editorial climate there falls in line with what I like and they aren't as hyperbolic as say , polygon or rps. The forums kinda suck atm but hey, can't have it all.
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Post by niko on Oct 13, 2014 12:46:21 GMT
Yeah, Yahtzee's cool. Looks like he just steers clear of this mess, too.
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Post by kheesz on Oct 13, 2014 13:44:15 GMT
Let me start off by saying this will get a little long, maybe corny, and have me end up coming off like a dumb butt, but it's something that I've got to lay out for myself.
Like many of you, I grew up playing video games. I'm the youngest of 3 brothers by a few years, so we always had consoles of some kind since I can remember. It was steady line from the NES onwards, but sometime around the later 2000s I kind of fell out with gaming. I still played games, just not as often as I used to. I had a Wii but not 360 or PS3 or a gaming PC. It's not that I was playing "casual" games on them, I love the Galaxy series and think they're 2 of the best games from that generation. I don't know why games didn't really hold my interest that much anymore, or even why I really got back into them at the start of 2013, but I did. So flash forward to a few months ago. I'm back to playing games regularly and participating in discussions about them on various forums and sites. I visit places that do a good job of keeping the discussions civil and weed out the most toxic elements.
Then GG happened.
I'm talking about the actual beginning. The Zoe Quinn thing. I kind of knew about Depression Quest and that there was a lot horrible stuff directed at her since it was put on Steam Greenlight late last year. There were other similar incidents around then too like Anita Sarkeesian among others. These were all in my mind when this started to happen, but for whatever reason I didn't really think any deeper about it. I just shrugged and went "Well the internet can be horrible." The first day or two it's just a bunch of rumbling by people with half formed ideas playing a game of telephone. But it really exploded when Internet Aristocrat posted his sub-Loose Change conspiracy nonsense video. I don't think he gets enough blame for stoking the fires of this. It was suddenly the story of how "ZQ had sex for positive coverage." facts be damned. And it was everywhere. Even though there were plenty of people who saw through the lies that were being spread and tried to combat it, there were still many that were just swept up in the false headline version of the story. It wasn't about the journalist that allegedly gave the positive coverage, it was all about ZQ. Her entire personal life was on trial, and what was posted was some of the most insidious and vile forms of misogyny I'd ever seen. I can't stress that enough, it was vicious, disgusting, abhorrent. These weren't Twitter randos, these were people apart of a community that I actively engaged with that I thought were above this kind of stuff. I couldn't ignore it anymore. I was back into gaming and this is what was happening, it was sickening.
A few days later Andrew Todd posted the first of the BAD articles. It was such a relief that another community that I was apart of actively pushed back against it and were so open to newcomers. This is the point were I don't like saying it because I sound like a dumb butt, but it was around this point that it dawned on me. It's not just a big coincidence that all these attacks towards women are going on at once. Pardon my French, but shit is fucked up. It made me realize that just agreeing that women are viewed by a large portion of society as something less than human, or that the Right in the US has been continually restricting reproduction rights across the country isn't good enough. For some fucking reason this was all codified by GG. This sounds overdramatic, but I had to stop being the person who was "not part of the problem."
So in summary I don't want to thank GG, but because of it it has put me through a lot of introspection. Not all of it has been pleasant, but in the end I think it's made me a less ignorant person than I was before, and I still have a long way to go from here.
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Post by daviller on Oct 13, 2014 15:27:48 GMT
Internet Aristocrat is really the worst, talking about how he is "on the side of logic and reason" and then goin on saying that he sometimes wishes anita sarkeesian and her supporters would die. Then he goes of calling others beta males and whatnot, all the while sounding the whiniest "beautiful human being" imaginable. How the fuck do people not realize what kind of fuckface they put forth as one of the spearheads of theyr "movement".
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Post by niko on Oct 13, 2014 17:59:57 GMT
Internet Aristocrat is really the worst, talking about how he is "on the side of logic and reason" and then goin on saying that he sometimes wishes anita sarkeesian and her supporters would die. Then he goes of calling others beta males and whatnot, all the while sounding the whiniest "beautiful human being" imaginable. How the fuck do people not realize what kind of fuckface they put forth as one of the spearheads of theyr "movement". Because he caters to their dumb primitive mammal desires. Ironic how people who like to use words like "fact" and "logic" are actually driven by simplistic emotions like hatred. Gotta say that during that time since BAD articles I've reflected on a lot of stuff I didn't before and met (well, here and on Twitter) a lot of great people.
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Post by monoclemask on Oct 15, 2014 2:29:10 GMT
Anita forced to cancel speaking event because after threats of "largest school shooting in history" police were still going to allow concealed weapons at the talk.
I'm continually shocked by the depths to which this has sunk. I think Frank Cifaldi said it best, it either stops now, or someone is really going to get killed.
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Post by mrnarse on Oct 15, 2014 4:10:41 GMT
I can't find the tweet in my timeline, but someone tweeted a screenshot of someone from 8chan who literally wrote "why don't we murder Anita? maybe her ideals will die with her and she won't become a martyr". And the responses to that tweet weren't about how absolutely horrible and insane it was for anyone to ever write that, the responses were GamerGaters crying that the screenshot didn't include the responses to that post. They literally care more about defending themselves than they do about MURDERING SOMEONE. Edit: Here:
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Post by Kav P on Oct 15, 2014 13:21:21 GMT
kheesz, thank you so much for sharing your story. It is really touching to read stories of eyes being opened in the horror of all this. I felt so incredibly alone for years, growing up as the only one of my friends into games, feeling alienated by the content of the games I played, feeling scared to speak up about it for fear of being mocked and rejected by those I knew who enjoyed games too. I'm really happy that it's out in the open and people have been shocked into not taking it for granted. I feel hope for the first time in years.
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Post by mrnarse on Oct 15, 2014 23:17:24 GMT
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Post by Chris on Oct 16, 2014 0:48:50 GMT
Alright, I haven't been checking in for a week and a half and just got back from vacation. What's new?
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Post by Chris on Oct 16, 2014 2:00:21 GMT
Oh wow. Looking through some of the links and things that have accumulated, it seems that gaters have managed to become lower in my estimation, and I wasn't even sure that was possible.
Also, yay new BAD post. See ya'll in the comments.
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